2.660 2.805 JOANNE: But, 2.805 4.685 so these slides be real interesting. 6.140 6.325 KEN: ... Yeah. 6.325 7.710 I think it'll be real interesting 7.710 8.535 I think it'll be a real, 8.535 9.815 (H) a good slide show. 9.815 11.065 .. Too bad you can't make @it. 11.625 13.805 LENORE : ... (TSK) Who else do you know that's been there besides .. what's her name. 13.805 15.450 KEN: (TSK) (H) % [Just ~Jessie and] ~Shana, 14.200 14.715 JOANNE: [~Shana, 14.715 15.210 her], 15.450 16.140 KEN: that's all. 16.675 17.009 ... Yeah, 17.009 17.453 ~Shana's, 17.453 18.020 sort of, 18.201 19.343 JOANNE: .. (H) I wanna go. 19.808 20.840 ... [(H) But-] -- 20.317 21.364 KEN: [I'd like to] go al[2so, 21.000 22.301 JOANNE: [2It's an interesting2] thing. 21.364 21.807 KEN: but2], 22.301 22.730 JOANNE: .. Hunh? 22.730 23.559 KEN: .. I'd like to go. 23.675 25.347 JOANNE: .. (H) It's an interesting thing though, 25.347 25.805 because, 25.805 26.285 um, 26.285 27.332 (TSK) I'm wondering, 27.332 27.906 ... you know, 27.906 28.982 since it is such -- 28.982 31.184 (H) ... 0m=, 31.678 32.740 ... (H) it's restricted, 32.740 34.077 you have to go through Mexico. 34.994 35.493 KEN: ... (TSK) No. 35.493 36.160 I don't [think so. 35.719 37.180 JOANNE: [Isn't Nicara]gua one of the things you -- 36.160 36.554 KEN: No]. 37.180 37.975 JOANNE: [2places you can't2] go? 37.128 37.981 KEN: [2I don't think so2]. 37.981 38.161 [3No, 37.975 38.689 JOANNE: [3I think it i=s3]. 38.161 38.491 KEN: we have -- 38.491 38.706 No3], 38.706 39.187 I don't think so. 39.187 40.116 We have f- f- -- 40.116 42.122 .. (H) Technically speaking, 42.122 44.796 .. full .. diplomatic re[lations with] Nicaragua, 43.625 44.216 JOANNE: [Oh yeah=]? 44.820 44.999 KEN: Yeah, 44.999 45.348 they have an, 45.348 46.258 an ambassador, 46.258 46.548 and, 46.687 47.964 .. you know an [American ambassador there, 47.006 47.575 JOANNE: [(H) I -- 47.575 50.423 then why does everybody always have to go through Mexico]. 47.964 48.161 KEN: who -- 48.161 50.359 (H) like a nest of CIA spies]. 50.359 50.870 (H) That's just -- 50.870 51.102 there -- 51.102 52.842 there isn't a direct transportation. 52.842 53.230 [but there n- -- 52.888 53.265 JOANNE: [I thought, 53.230 53.735 KEN: it's not, 53.265 53.497 JOANNE: no, 53.497 54.100 but I thought it w-] -- 53.729 55.133 KEN: (H) it's] not like going to Cuba. 55.133 57.830 .. [2Where they have to make2] connections through [3Mexico because, 55.237 55.823 JOANNE: [2Oh=2]. 57.146 58.584 [3I knew someone who went to Cuba3], 57.969 58.451 KEN: (H)3] 58.584 59.263 JOANNE: and had to go, 59.263 59.466 KEN: [yeah]. 59.263 60.748 JOANNE: [make] connections [2through Mexico2]. 60.063 62.801 KEN: [2(H) That's because2] it's il[3legal for3] Americans to travel [4to Cuba4]. 60.928 61.421 JOANNE: [3(H)3] 62.337 63.752 [4(H) But I won4]der whether this -- 63.752 64.292 % It i=s. 64.031 64.309 KEN: Yeah. 64.309 64.582 It is. 64.582 65.197 [XXXX]. 64.582 65.017 JOANNE: [Oh yeah=. 65.017 66.525 Just] like Lebanon just became. 67.430 67.859 LENORE: ... [2how long -- 67.343 68.839 JOANNE: [2They say Lebanon 2] actually, 67.859 68.317 LENORE: how long's2] -- 68.839 69.013 JOANNE: they- -- 69.013 70.475 it d- just beca=me illegal. 70.475 71.084 .. and- and- I- -- 71.084 71.728 you know. 72.291 73.787 KEN: ... (H) For a few [years], 73.445 74.611 LENORE: [how long] [2has it been illegal2]. 73.741 74.263 JOANNE: [2Libya, 74.263 74.663 too2]. 74.663 75.643 Isn't Libya as well? 75.643 76.438 There's quite a few pla- -- 76.438 77.018 Liby[a], 76.798 77.848 KEN: [(TSK)] .. There's only a -- 77.848 79.234 % there's only a handful [of places. 78.718 80.191 LENORE: [How long has it been illegal for Americans to] -- 78.718 80.191 KEN: (H)= (Hx)] 80.313 81.090 LENORE: [2go to Cuba2]. 80.313 80.672 KEN: [2Well, 80.313 81.363 JOANNE: [2Since the2] [3fif- -- 80.672 81.548 KEN: it was il2][3legal, 81.363 82.140 JOANNE: since the fifties, 81.548 82.563 KEN: it was illegal, 82.140 82.894 JOANNE: or the sixties3]. 82.563 83.671 KEN: it3] was illegal, 83.671 83.984 .. you know, 83.984 85.249 from like the .. time of Cath- -- 85.249 86.351 .. the Castro revolution, 86.351 87.088 up until, 87.088 88.544 I think the early seventies, 88.544 89.646 the Supreme Court, 89.646 92.929 (H) overturned .. % travel restrictions, 92.929 94.054 on the um, 94.054 95.400 .. (TSK) on the passport, 95.400 97.001 (H) and said that the= government couldn't, 97.001 97.766 % .. really, 97.975 99.292 ... permit you from going anywh- -- 99.292 99.518 uh, 99.518 100.928 prevent you from going anywhere, 100.928 102.499 (H) And the=n, 102.499 103.700 (H) .. [tha=-] -- 103.323 103.654 JOANNE: [(TSK)] 103.700 104.553 KEN: that changed again, 104.553 106.020 a few years later they passed some laws, 106.020 106.711 or something like that, 106.711 108.880 which d=id enable the government to, 108.880 109.733 .. to do um, 109.733 110.951 .. visa res- .. restrictions, 110.951 111.125 and, 111.125 112.337 (H) I think Cuba, 112.337 113.544 and North Korea, 113.544 114.460 JOANNE: .. Now Leba[non], 114.176 115.104 KEN: [And now Le]banon, 115.104 116.003 and Libya, 116.119 116.861 JOANNE: ... Unhunh. 116.914 118.921 KEN: .. are the only places that uh, 118.921 120.655 (H) ... maybe North- -- 120.655 122.151 .. maybe Vietnam also. 122.151 122.331 JOANNE: X 122.331 122.865 KEN: where [you], 122.494 122.807 JOANNE: [X] 122.981 123.451 KEN: .. you're, 123.451 124.385 .. supposedly, 124.385 126.693 n=ot able to use your passport to go to. 126.693 127.192 .. but, 127.192 128.729 (TSK) (H) .. you really. 128.729 130.086 I mean you ca=n, 130.086 131.235 JOANNE: .. (H) [They know. 130.452 131.235 KEN: [you know, 131.235 132.088 JOANNE: (H) the thing is, 132.088 132.824 what I'm wondering -- 131.275 131.755 KEN: you can, 131.755 133.705 like people go to Cuba all the time], 132.824 133.689 JOANNE: what I'm wondering is], 133.689 134.930 people that go to [2Nicara-2] -- 134.250 134.930 KEN: [2and less o-2] -- 134.930 136.190 less often [3to Nicar- -- 135.420 137.190 JOANNE: [3(H) doesn't the State Department3]? 136.170 136.885 KEN: to North- -- 136.885 137.430 (H) to Vi3]etnam, 137.430 138.220 and North Ko[4rea, 138.005 139.345 JOANNE: [4Wouldn't the State Department know, 139.345 140.895 everybody4] that went to Nicaragua. 138.100 139.320 KEN: but people go to Cuba all the time. 139.430 140.780 (SNIFF)4] 140.780 141.080 P_Sure. 141.080 141.680 JOANNE: Wouldn't they know. 141.875 144.060 (H) [And tha=t's what's sort of worrisome. 142.135 144.400 KEN: [XXXX is b- crawling with the CIA]. 144.060 145.750 JOANNE: (H)] That's what's worri- .. worrisome, 145.750 146.360 I'm sure, 146.360 146.645 if they -- 146.645 148.335 I'm sure they have ~Jessie on a list anyway. 148.335 148.490 [but, 148.295 148.490 KEN: [oh, 148.490 148.895 yeah]. 148.490 148.855 JOANNE: I mean], 148.855 149.685 (H) but I'm saying, 149.685 153.445 well he's the only existing live member of the Peace and Freedom Party l=eft. 153.330 154.335 KEN: [@@@@@ 153.445 153.735 JOANNE: [You know, 153.735 153.890 but, 153.890 155.000 (H) but he's a=] -- 154.335 156.080 KEN: <@ The only one un]der the age of sixty @>, 156.080 156.550 [2@ @ (H)2] 156.080 156.250 JOANNE: [2yeah, 156.250 156.530 I know2]. 156.530 157.730 (H) And it's really [3funny3], 157.335 157.730 KEN: [3(H)3] 157.730 159.410 JOANNE: that I would think that they would have, 159.410 159.810 .. a -- 159.810 160.700 a thing on you, 160.700 161.475 they would actually, 161.475 163.260 .. possibly even keep an eye on you, 163.260 163.635 or, 163.635 164.420 .. or watch you, 164.420 166.665 (H) I don't know how [many Americans have been to Nicar]agua. 165.155 165.470 KEN: [Oh=, 165.470 166.450 I doubt it (Hx)]. 166.665 167.185 JOANNE: how [2many, 166.935 167.205 KEN: [2No, 167.205 167.575 plen2]ty. 167.205 167.595 JOANNE: (H)2] 167.575 168.065 KEN: There're de- -- 168.065 169.080 [there're delegations that-] -- 168.185 168.830 LENORE: [a lo=t have gone, 168.830 169.230 that's] true, 169.230 170.070 a lot of [2people X2], 169.505 170.215 KEN: [2a lot of del-2] -- 170.215 171.940 there's delega[3tions going every week3]. 170.875 171.905 LENORE: [3thousands3]. 171.940 172.145 KEN: Yeah, 172.145 173.300 [thousands have gone]. 172.220 172.630 LENORE: [X X=] 172.145 172.770 JOANNE: [(H) Well there -- 172.770 173.920 a lot of them are] religious, 173.920 174.120 so, 174.120 174.500 that is, 174.500 174.730 you [know, 174.625 175.290 KEN: [religious, 174.730 175.035 JOANNE: they d- -- 175.035 175.870 they'd usually], 175.290 175.845 KEN: ], 175.870 177.015 JOANNE: hurch things. 176.995 178.950 KEN: (TSK) And lots of [people like trade unions, 177.545 179.125 JOANNE: [going down to see for themselves]. 178.950 179.790 KEN: and] political, 179.775 180.205 LENORE: M[2hm2], 179.895 180.205 KEN: [2you know2], 180.205 180.585 left -- 180.585 181.010 .. [leftish], 180.535 181.010 JOANNE: [Unhunh]. 181.010 182.055 KEN: or liberal types, 183.475 184.650 (H) ... a=nd um, 186.025 186.540 .. (H) .. but uh, 186.540 187.025 I would love -- 187.025 188.070 .. I would love to go=. 188.180 188.810 LENORE: ... Yeah. 189.585 190.025 JOANNE: ... Yeah? 190.845 191.755 ... I wanna go too. 192.650 193.425 ... (TSK) (H) I'd -- 193.425 194.785 I'd ra[ther go to] Mexico though. 193.640 193.920 KEN: [I] -- 195.040 195.350 LENORE: ... @[2= 195.350 196.240 JOANNE: [2@@@@2] 195.825 196.765 LENORE: Not quite2] the same. 196.680 196.975 JOANNE: [3@3] 196.730 198.590 KEN: [3(H)3] I'd kind of [4like to go to Guatemala. 197.325 198.625 JOANNE: [4. 198.590 198.835 KEN: but, 198.625 201.225 JOANNE: (H) I think Mexi4]co's like the place= to go=, 198.835 199.690 KEN: I don't know4]. 201.225 202.570 JOANNE: because it's got everything. 202.570 203.850 (H) It's got history, 203.850 204.760 it's [got big cities, 204.215 204.720 KEN: [yeah, 204.760 205.675 JOANNE: it's got ruins, 205.675 206.320 JOANNE: and it's got, 206.320 208.130 JOANNE: (H) and it's] got re[2so=rts2]. 207.655 208.015 KEN: [2(H)2] 208.140 208.420 JOANNE: you know, 208.435 210.075 and oh[= Go=d, 208.770 209.125 LENORE: [<@ God, 209.125 210.060 listen to you @>. 210.075 212.730 JOANNE: the- the Caribbean is] incre=dible. 210.060 211.810 LENORE: (H) ]. 212.730 214.725 JOANNE: (H) bl- beau=tiful, 214.725 215.495 beau=tiful, 215.495 216.560 blue= water, 217.735 218.345 ... Wha=t. 218.900 219.475 LENORE: .. [I] know. 218.900 219.055 JOANNE: [(TSK)] 219.475 221.155 LENORE: [2I know the Caribbean is incredible2]. 219.575 220.465 JOANNE: [2(H) beau- -- 220.465 221.940 .. beautiful2] beautiful @blue -- 221.940 222.420 @@@@, 222.420 223.045 blue water, 223.045 223.530 and and, 223.530 224.885 (H) warm water, 224.885 225.935 and like .. coral, 225.935 227.285 and tropical f=ish, 227.285 228.030 and incredible, 228.030 229.300 r- like .. resort, 229.300 231.655 (H) .. like u=m, 231.655 232.555 .. (TSK) hotels, 232.555 233.485 and restaurants, 233.485 233.810 KEN: (H) Oh, 233.810 234.810 when we were there last, 234.810 235.290 we -- 235.290 236.600 th- it was just after an election. 236.600 237.865 (H) And I got all these great, 237.865 238.425 u=m, 238.425 239.490 photographs of, 239.490 240.500 .. of [like um, 239.690 240.320 JOANNE: [posters, 240.320 241.310 and demos]. 240.500 241.635 KEN: election] posters, 241.635 241.825 you know, 243.055 244.080 from [all the like little uh, 241.940 243.035 JOANNE: [hunger strikes, 243.035 243.465 (H)] 243.055 244.080 KEN: (H)] the little, 244.670 246.415 ... various leftish parties, 246.415 246.975 and they'd like, 246.975 247.285 you know, 247.285 247.765 p- post -- 247.765 248.720 then um, 248.720 249.385 .. % wall, 249.385 249.990 .. graffiti, 250.030 250.290 and, 250.315 251.410 and posters all over everything, 251.410 252.815 so I took a bunch of pictures of that. 252.815 253.110 and they were, 253.110 255.275 (H) pr- .. currently having u=m, 255.275 256.085 hunger strikes, 256.085 257.485 all over southern Mexico. 257.485 259.580 (H)= B- u=m, 259.900 261.340 ... because it was a particularly, 261.340 261.920 I mean it was [even -- 261.920 265.020 JOANNE: [(H) It was real o=bvious corrupt election. 261.920 262.350 KEN: much -- 262.350 263.290 It was even m=ore c- -- 263.290 266.315 (H) it was even more corrupt than the usual corrupt election. 265.210 266.970 JOANNE: What they did is they stuffed ballots, 266.970 267.180 and, 266.795 267.200 KEN: (H) Oh yeah, 267.230 267.530 JOANNE: uh], 267.230 268.405 KEN: they they] always stuff ballots. 268.405 269.875 But this f- .. (H) ti=me, 269.875 270.150 [uh, 269.835 271.150 JOANNE: [was real obvious]. 270.150 272.630 KEN: it was even m=ore] .. blatant than usual. 272.630 274.290 (H) .. and uh, 274.385 279.170 ... (H) ... so I got all- -- 279.170 280.100 I got pictures of them, 280.100 281.235 having their um, 281.235 282.995 (H) .. their= -- 282.995 283.290 0eople -- 283.290 284.555 the people doing hunger strikes, 284.555 285.180 [and that kind of thing, 284.790 286.315 JOANNE: [. 286.315 286.945 @] 285.530 286.135 KEN: (H) .. and, 286.135 287.075 in um], 286.130 286.930 JOANNE: [3@3] 287.435 287.995 KEN: in particular, 287.995 289.880 in one little .. [Indian] town, 288.415 289.065 JOANNE: [(H)] 290.705 292.515 KEN: ... f- forgot what the town was called. 292.515 293.820 .. (H) Tlacochahuaya. 293.820 294.885 (SNIFF) (H) you know, 294.885 295.140 I mean, 295.140 296.520 most of these things we saw like in, 296.520 297.980 in Oaxaca an=d, 297.980 298.520 .. you know, 298.520 299.230 places that were% -- 299.230 300.240 .. that were um, 300.240 300.985 .. pretty big. 300.985 303.710 .. (H) But we went to this one little tiny Indian town, 303.710 305.725 .. (H) and u=m, 305.725 306.700 % .. there they -- 306.700 306.990 you know, 306.990 307.205 in the -- 307.205 308.330 in the little u=m, 309.335 310.440 ... I forget what they call it. 310.440 311.140 The central. 311.140 312.670 .. the little central plaza area. 312.670 313.050 (H) 313.050 313.815 LENORE: . 314.475 314.895 What. 314.895 315.585 KEN: w- y- % I forget. 315.585 316.825 There was some term they used [2for it, 316.545 317.205 LENORE: [2Oh yeah=. 317.205 317.955 So-2] -- 316.825 317.495 KEN: the= the2], 317.495 317.800 (H) 317.800 318.845 JOANNE: (TSK) [(H) ]. 318.015 318.770 KEN: []. 318.845 319.695 JOANNE: [2The 2]. 318.770 319.560 KEN: [2The 2]. 318.755 319.305 LENORE: [2, 325.545 325.910 that is -- 325.910 327.005 still has a . 327.005 327.990 that's built around a . 327.990 329.380 You were telling me a[bout that]. 328.835 329.525 KEN: [Oh that was right th-] -- 329.360 329.750 JOANNE: .. [2(H)2] 329.525 330.595 KEN: [2well %2] that was Sonoma. 330.550 331.515 JOANNE: (H) Sonoma. 331.515 332.970 still has a zocalo. 334.525 335.620 ... Did you know that? 335.620 337.495 .. (H) .. [It really does]. 336.880 337.145 KEN: [yeah, 337.145 337.965 it was built around] a, 337.965 338.235 it's- -- 338.235 339.335 it's built during the -- 339.335 340.360 ... the Mexican -- 340.940 344.145 JOANNE: ... [(TSK) the whole tow=n is still built around the plaza]. 341.110 341.465 KEN: [actually, 341.465 342.845 probably during the Spanish period, 342.845 343.250 and or=, 343.250 344.280 .. during the Mexican] period, 344.280 344.805 I [2don't know and2], 344.385 344.805 JOANNE: [2(H)2] 344.805 347.740 KEN: (H) but the whole town still has the old Mexican plaza, 347.740 349.005 and the Mexican governor, 349.005 350.675 .. (H) general's house, 350.675 351.805 .. was right there and, 351.805 353.145 .. (H) a[=nd the church, 352.390 353.835 JOANNE: [and that's like the main street, 353.145 354.435 KEN: and that kind of thing is], 353.835 354.435 JOANNE: %= you know]. 354.435 354.855 (H) 354.855 355.125 KEN: % you know, 355.125 356.405 right in the center of Sonoma. 356.405 356.850 (H) 357.115 358.715 JOANNE: .. Sonoma of all places. 361.385 361.710 KEN: ... Yeah, 361.710 362.585 so you can go up there and, 363.220 364.215 ... p_see old California, 364.215 365.070 and drink wine. 365.070 366.075 LENORE: ..

-- 366.270 366.800 um, 366.800 368.245 .. did you ever find out what disease you had? 368.695 368.980 KEN: ..

. 368.980 370.595 .. I='ve .. went to the doctor, 370.595 372.050 and he- [ 0id a blood test, 371.085 372.995 JOANNE: [(H) I think you ought to change doc]tors. 372.050 372.625 KEN: and said], 373.260 373.890 .. and said, 373.890 374.020 uh, 374.020 375.335 I just went to some local doctor, 375.335 375.615 right here, 375.615 376.460 I didn't go to [#Deutsch. 376.090 376.320 JOANNE: [oh, 376.320 377.075 you didn't go to] him. 376.460 376.900 KEN: (H)] 377.060 377.380 U=m, 377.380 377.620 no. 377.620 378.945 He just di- did a blood test, 378.945 379.230 and said, 379.230 379.460 yeah, 379.460 379.665 well, 379.665 379.985 your b- -- 379.985 380.910 your blood's all shot, 380.910 382.625 and you have the liver of a ninety-year-old, 382.625 383.955 (H) u[=m, 383.725 384.840 JOANNE: [(H) ? 383.935 384.240 KEN: And il- -- 384.240 384.470 and I -- 384.470 385.090 and I think] -- 384.840 386.045 JOANNE: and he] doesn't [2drink2]. 385.495 386.055 KEN: [2and I think2], 386.055 387.180 I think uh=, 387.180 388.625 you- you [picked up] some, 387.580 388.010 JOANNE: [(H)] 389.090 389.675 KEN: ... v- [2u=m2], 389.230 389.675 JOANNE: [2Virus2]. 389.675 390.180 KEN: virus, 390.180 390.425 like, 390.425 390.595 uh, 390.595 392.315 he named like half a dozen viruses, 392.315 392.485 and said, 392.440 392.715 Ah, 392.485 393.480 I could do some more tests, 393.480 394.370 and find out which one, 394.370 394.570 but, 394.570 396.670 (H) by the time we got the test .. results back, 396.670 397.880 you'd probably be over with it anyway, 397.880 398.735 [so why bother]. 397.880 398.735 JOANNE: [(Hx) (H)] 398.735 399.610 He is like that though. 399.610 400.330 that's his attitude. 400.330 401.345 KEN: [That wasn't #Deutsch]. 400.330 401.670 JOANNE: [That's what I don't like] about him. 401.670 402.060 Oh. 402.060 402.785 .. That wasn't #Deutsch? 402.785 403.720 That [sou=nds like] #Deutsch, 402.985 403.430 KEN: [No]. 403.720 405.205 JOANNE: that sounds [2like something he would do. 404.115 404.225 KEN: [2No, 404.225 404.885 it was somebody right here, 404.885 406.390 na=med D=2]octor #Garcia. 404.935 405.590 JOANNE: (H)2] 407.215 407.610 LENORE: ... Hm. 407.610 408.140 KEN: .. (H) 408.140 409.315 JOANNE: @@[@@] (H) 408.635 409.130 KEN: [(H)] 409.315 410.025 [2University2] of, 409.390 409.705 JOANNE: [2@@2] 409.965 410.290 (H) 410.290 411.825 KEN: p_S=outh Guadala[jara]. 411.605 412.730 JOANNE: [@@]@@@ 412.730 413.485 (H)[2= hunh2]. 413.155 413.495 KEN: [2(H)2] 413.485 414.395 JOANNE: (H) or uh=, 414.395 415.170 Grenada. 415.865 416.405 LENORE: ... (TSK) @Hey. 416.405 417.915 JOANNE: <@ Grenada [@@] -- 416.955 417.795 KEN: [XXX] 416.920 418.000 LENORE: [What @about] [2(H)2] -- 417.915 419.270 JOANNE: [2Grenada2] [3University @>3]. 418.980 419.345 KEN: [3@(Hx)3] 419.310 419.780 (H) 419.265 421.015 JOANNE: (H) .. Doctors. 421.535 423.115 LENORE: ... So that's put you off traveling down there? 423.140 424.235 KEN: (H) [(Hx)] 423.675 425.140 JOANNE: [(H) Twice] in a row, 425.140 426.575 almost deadly diseas[2es2], 426.185 427.440 LENORE: [2And you2] both eat the same things? 427.440 428.205 JOANNE: .. Yeah[3=3]. 427.955 428.075 KEN: [3Yeah3], 428.075 428.405 I just -- 428.405 428.740 JOANNE: In fact, 428.740 430.130 [I eat] .. stuff that he doesn't eat, 428.740 429.110 KEN: []. 430.130 430.290 JOANNE: that, 430.290 431.445 he wouldn't dare touch. 431.445 431.640 you know, 431.640 432.945 I eat like a ceviche, 432.945 433.155 and, 433.155 433.455 and, 433.455 434.605 all kinds of salads, 434.605 434.920 and, 434.920 435.625 LENORE: . 435.110 438.080 JOANNE: [(H)] ... I- I eat all kinds of stuff like that. 438.080 438.525 .. you know? 438.525 439.230 [(H)] 438.525 439.235 KEN: [(H)] 439.235 441.115 JOANNE: The ce[2viche's2] full of vegetables, 439.470 439.925 KEN: [2(Hx)2] 441.115 442.455 JOANNE: .. full of cut up tomatoes, 442.455 443.025 and [and]. 442.590 443.880 KEN: [I eat most] everything that you do. 443.880 444.630 [2I don't eat ceviche2], 443.880 444.630 LENORE: [2Raw fish2]. 443.880 444.085 JOANNE: [2Yeah, 444.085 444.675 2]. 444.630 446.875 KEN: because [3I don't3] like the idea of eating [4raw4] food. 444.835 445.175 JOANNE: [3raw3] -- 446.185 446.680 [4(H)4] 446.925 447.230 KEN: [5but5], 446.875 447.245 JOANNE: [5yeah5], 447.230 447.955 KEN: I mean raw m- -- 447.955 448.490 like meat, 448.490 448.970 and fish, 448.970 450.160 and the idea bothers me, 450.160 450.385 but, 450.385 451.580 (H)[= I eat every]thing else, 450.750 451.225 JOANNE: [you know], 451.580 452.005 KEN: I eat like, 452.005 452.645 .. you know, 452.645 453.610 .. vegetables, 453.610 453.880 and, 453.880 454.880 s- salads and, 454.880 456.210 JOANNE: [(H) That's the problem though. 455.025 456.950 KEN: [m- f- meat from like little corner stands, 456.210 456.965 JOANNE: you're a lot more, 456.965 458.270 you're a lot more delicate] -- 457.265 458.725 KEN: (H) , 458.725 459.220 [2in - th-- 459.100 459.690 JOANNE: [2(H) And- -- 459.690 460.460 %= yeah2]. 459.220 459.660 KEN: in -- 459.660 460.465 in areas like that2], 460.465 460.765 and like, 460.765 462.745 not be able to s- to have the local foo=d. 462.745 463.935 That's [part of the] whole [2thing. 462.915 463.345 JOANNE: [(TSK) (H)] 463.345 464.485 [2(H) It's delicious, 464.485 465.315 It's cheap2], 463.935 465.515 KEN: (H) So I eat the local2] food, 465.515 466.885 and get deathly ill. 466.885 468.100 JOANNE: .. he's v- real s- -- 468.100 469.465 [% real] [2weak system2]. 468.270 468.785 KEN: [XXX] -- 468.380 468.690 LENORE: [Now you're] -- 468.750 469.780 [2Now you're not gonna2] go ba=ck. 469.780 470.555 [3@So @@3], 469.780 470.745 KEN: [3Now I'll never3] go back. 470.745 471.710 I won't have to worry about it. 471.710 473.290 I won't be put in that position [@any]more. 472.665 473.250 LENORE: [(H)] 473.250 474.335 [2That's terrible2]. 473.250 475.350 JOANNE: [2Rea=l depressed2] immune system. 475.350 476.110 Rea=l bad. 476.110 477.925 He [gets sick] rea=l easily. 476.370 476.825 KEN: [Yeah]. 478.400 479.020 JOANNE: ... all the t- -- 479.020 480.620 all his life he's been like that. 480.620 481.845 it's [really] horrible. 480.810 481.155 KEN: [Yeah]. 481.845 483.065 LENORE: .. Would you like a supplement? 483.065 485.395 JOANNE: <@ You stop [pushing those] pills @>. 484.105 484.870 KEN: [<@ XXX @>]? 485.395 486.470 LENORE: [2@@@2][3@@ (H)3] 485.395 486.695 JOANNE: [2(H)2] [3XXXX3]X[4XX what do you, 485.605 485.985 KEN: [3@=3] 486.000 486.605 [4I take, 486.300 486.605 JOANNE: What i- -- 486.605 488.330 KEN: already about four hundred X- -- 486.695 487.050 JOANNE: what is it, 487.050 488.845 you've got a d- medicine cabinet, 488.330 489.079 KEN: (H) looks like it, 488.845 489.401 JOANNE: a medica- 4] -- 489.079 489.412 KEN: look at that4]. 489.412 490.202 JOANNE: (H) I can't bel- -- 490.202 492.013 how many different types of [pills do you have] in there. 491.374 491.959 KEN: [What's that]. 492.013 492.502 JOANNE: Let me see. 492.502 493.717 I want you to pull them all out. 493.717 495.463 (H) I want you to pull every [bottle out, 494.937 495.861 KEN: [oh my God]. 495.463 495.861 JOANNE: ~Lenore]. 495.861 496.805 I [2wanna see every2] d- -- 496.025 496.540 LENORE: [2Oops=2]. 496.815 497.220 JOANNE: [3(H)3] 496.845 498.165 KEN: [3What's that3] [4big flat one. 497.030 497.275 LENORE: [3XXX3] 497.275 497.540 [4Actually, 498.165 498.390 KEN: it look-4] -- 497.540 498.675 LENORE: I forgot to take4] [5these5]. 498.390 499.510 KEN: [5it looks5] [6like the host. 498.385 499.230 JOANNE: [5@5] [6@that- looks like, 499.230 499.965 (H) no no no, 499.280 500.565 KEN: It looks like church6]. 499.965 500.810 JOANNE: you know what it looks6] like? 500.810 501.645 (H) .. no you know what it looks like? 501.645 502.750 [it looks like a wafo]-, 501.580 502.500 LENORE: [enzy=mes]. 502.750 503.940 JOANNE: What are those wa[2fo2]? 503.455 504.375 KEN: [2Necco2] Wa[3fers. 503.940 505.005 JOANNE: [3Necco Wafers3]. 504.375 504.980 KEN: Yeah3]. 504.980 505.355 JOANNE: @@@ 505.435 505.875 LENORE: .. Hunh. 505.715 506.225 JOANNE: (H) 506.000 506.300 LENORE: Yeah. 506.325 507.445 JOANNE: <@ XXX[X @> chocolate], 506.725 507.760 KEN: [Looks like the kind of thing that] we would, 507.760 508.000 like, 508.000 508.975 we would get burnt at the stake, 508.975 510.215 for sticking a knife into. 510.215 510.855 (H) 510.855 511.765 LENORE: .. This is, 513.575 514.750 ... pepsin I think. 514.750 515.400 .. I'm not [sure]. 515.065 516.190 JOANNE: [well you] [2thi=nk? 515.845 516.475 KEN: [2%= pep2][3sin3]? 516.190 516.420 JOANNE: [3you-3] -- 516.190 516.650 LENORE: [3This3] [4is4] -- 516.420 517.560 JOANNE: [4how4] can you remember all of them. 517.560 517.735 do you- -- 517.735 519.030 don't you [keep notes]? 518.170 519.055 LENORE: [<@ I know all] of em, 519.055 519.575 [2and @>2], 519.055 519.935 JOANNE: [2real2]ly? 519.330 519.660 KEN: [2@@2] 519.965 521.425 LENORE: (SNIFF) and these smell real neat. 523.625 525.020 KEN: (SNIFF)= Oo=, 525.020 525.445 what is it. 525.445 527.005 LENORE: .. Smells just like ... fish, 527.005 527.595 rotten. 527.740 528.075 KEN: .. [Yeah, 527.740 529.270 JOANNE: [(SNIFF)=] 528.075 529.270 KEN: it does smell like rotten fish]. 529.270 529.620 LENORE: [2Fish2], 529.270 530.065 JOANNE: [2No2] [3it doesn't3]. 529.585 530.510 KEN: [3Looks X like3] [4X=4], 529.825 530.095 LENORE: [3%=3] 529.990 530.540 [4Dried4] -- 530.510 532.380 KEN: [5Filet5] of [6cod liver oil or some6][7thing7]? 530.510 530.865 JOANNE: [5(SNIFF)5] 530.910 531.925 LENORE: [6Cats love those6]. 530.955 532.025 JOANNE: [6(SNIFF) .. (SNIFF) 532.025 532.945 .. It6] [7smells7] [8goo=d. 532.365 532.930 LENORE: [8I % -- 532.930 534.005 I line those up on the table, 532.930 533.700 JOANNE: .. (SNIFF) .. (SNIFF) 533.700 534.930 And so does this mean something, 534.005 535.205 LENORE: and the cat comes up and eats em8]. 534.930 535.950 JOANNE: cause it8] smells good to me? 535.950 537.740 (SNIFF) Am I [9deficient in9] [something]? 536.940 537.760 KEN: [9(Hx) smells9] [like fish]. 537.135 538.100 LENORE: [Probably means you] need it. 538.145 538.695 JOANNE: (SNIFF) 538.695 539.200 KEN: .. What is it. 539.200 539.575 is it like %, 539.575 540.375 LENORE: Enzymes. 540.575 541.260 KEN: m- [More enzymes? 540.435 541.570 JOANNE: [(H) That's her theory, 541.225 541.550 KEN: fish en- -- 541.550 542.790 fish blood enzymes? 541.570 543.020 JOANNE: more of .. quackery theory, 542.540 542.975 KEN: (H)] 543.020 543.820 JOANNE: then] it [2uh2] -- 543.370 545.140 KEN: [2I think2] [3it's just quack stuff3]. 543.715 544.080 LENORE: [3Alright. 543.800 544.865 JOANNE: [3.. If it smells good to you3], 544.080 544.925 LENORE: .. this is X3] --, 544.865 545.650 JOANNE: [4you need it4]. 544.925 546.020 LENORE: [4AF Beta4] Food. 546.020 546.880 .. this is uh[5=5], 546.675 547.920 KEN: [5A5] F Beta [6Food6]? 547.520 547.915 LENORE: [6Liver6]. 547.915 548.660 This is liver, 550.755 552.450 KEN: ... [How many different liver things do you ha=ve]. 550.755 551.475 LENORE: [This is, 551.475 552.725 .. this is vita]min C. 552.555 552.915 JOANNE: [2She's -- 552.555 552.900 LENORE: [2@@ 552.900 554.555 <@@> one liv2]er but, 552.900 554.170 JOANNE: that's her biggest problem2]. 554.555 555.210 LENORE: .. it has a lot -- 555.210 555.620 (H) 555.620 556.665 JOANNE: .. [(H) Fact she's, 555.840 556.685 LENORE: [Lower GI, 556.685 557.260 .. pepsin]. 556.665 558.575 JOANNE: p_she's] actually [2on a waiting list2], 557.605 558.540 KEN: [2 pepsin2]. 558.575 559.910 JOANNE: for a liver [3transplant. 559.065 559.860 KEN: [3(TSK) I used to eat tha- -- 559.860 560.630 you know that3] [4gum=4]. 559.910 560.110 JOANNE: (H)3] 560.210 560.745 LENORE: [4Hey4]. 560.840 561.225 KEN: .. [5that5] -- 560.840 561.440 JOANNE: [5@= @5] 561.225 562.290 KEN: % that5] pepsin coated gum, 562.290 563.010 when I was a kid, 563.010 563.635 Beaman's? 563.935 564.845 ... I really liked it. 565.375 566.300 LENORE: ... What ever [happened to that]? 565.770 566.715 JOANNE: [%= They still] have [2that. 566.340 566.695 KEN: [2I don- -- 566.695 567.180 n- n-2] -- 566.715 567.495 JOANNE: I- they- I-2] still have it. 567.495 568.010 Uh [3I- it's got a -- 567.785 568.440 KEN: [3I li=ke it3]. 568.010 569.165 JOANNE: It had a3] packaging of like, 569.165 569.700 kind of white, 569.865 570.545 [an=d red, 569.865 570.275 KEN: [(TSK) yeah. 570.275 570.870 and it said uh, 570.545 571.300 JOANNE: or white and blue. 571.300 571.690 (H)] 570.870 571.595 KEN: with pepsin]. 571.630 572.260 [2(TSK) (H)2] 571.630 572.220 LENORE: [2C2]=, 574.065 574.860 ... Enzymes. 575.605 576.710 KEN: ... (TSK) What kind of enzymes. 577.010 577.910 LENORE: ... Mainly digestive. 577.910 580.650 KEN: My sister used to always try and give me papaya en[zymes]. 580.185 580.570 LENORE: [yeah], 580.570 581.170 that's good. 581.170 582.050 ... (H) [Here]. 581.505 581.955 KEN: [Is it]? 582.050 582.730 LENORE: [2You can have this2]. 582.050 583.710 JOANNE: [2That one's all the2] [3f=ad during di3][4et4]. 582.780 583.515 KEN: [3what are those3]. 583.515 584.868 LENORE: [4It's4] .. for your immune system. 585.030 585.765 KEN: .. What are they. 585.765 585.980 LENORE: .. Oh, 585.980 587.590 they have (THROAT) gla=nd, 587.760 588.700 KEN: .. [Gla][2=nds2]? 587.760 588.700 LENORE: [Gla][2=nd2], 588.460 589.040 JOANNE: [2Don't2] take that, 589.040 589.310 ~Ken 589.310 589.880 (Hx) @@ 589.880 591.250 (H) Let's see how many bottles [you got. 590.845 591.275 LENORE: [Actually, 590.845 591.920 KEN: [It wouldn't hur=t you]. 591.360 592.030 LENORE: .. this] [2is2], 591.250 592.315 JOANNE: Let's see all the] [2bot2]tles. 592.455 593.135 LENORE: this is uh, 593.135 595.180 I wanna know what .. to- .. taurine, 595.180 595.980 .. taur[ine is. 595.640 596.595 KEN: [(TSK) I have no idea. 596.025 596.290 LENORE: This -- 596.290 596.980 %(Hx) I actually, 596.980 597.545 I a=sked her, 596.805 598.275 KEN: .. That's the one that sounds like cow's balls]? 597.545 598.440 LENORE: and she said] something, 598.440 599.460 and she was walking out of the room, 599.460 600.225 and I didn't [catch it. 599.940 600.520 JOANNE: [(H) Let's, 600.225 600.715 LENORE: so], 600.520 601.615 JOANNE: w-] let's see all the [2bottles. 601.155 601.920 LENORE: [2@Cow's @ba-2]. 601.615 602.780 JOANNE: I wanna2] see all [3the bottles3]. 602.220 602.610 KEN: [3What do you take, 602.610 603.435 you take3] one of these at a time- -- 603.435 604.175 one of these a day, 604.175 605.695 or <@ five of these a [day @> or something]? 604.955 605.240 LENORE: [@@ 605.240 605.685 .. Uh], 605.685 606.765 Anywhere from=, 606.765 607.365 three=, 607.365 608.250 wi- w- one to, 608.250 608.945 six or, 608.945 609.375 .. twenty. 609.370 609.615 JOANNE: [(H)] 609.370 609.845 KEN: [Oh] okay. 609.970 610.235 JOANNE: .. Yeah but, 610.235 610.840 [when he runs] -- 610.235 610.675 KEN: [I'll do it. 610.675 611.045 thank] you. 611.045 611.790 JOANNE: [2but when (Hx)2] -- 611.045 611.560 LENORE: [2actually, 611.560 611.835 I2] -- 611.835 612.145 I -- 612.145 612.670 .. I think, 612.670 613.120 .. I w- -- 613.120 614.305 ... I was taking about, 614.615 615.400 ... ten of these, 615.400 616.705 or f- [more a day, 615.880 616.710 KEN: [@@@@ 616.710 617.695 I can't afford @to @take -- 616.710 616.845 LENORE: and, 616.845 617.065 and, 617.065 618.125 (H) I realized that, 617.695 619.210 KEN: @@ (H) @(H)] 618.380 619.860 LENORE: (H) There's fifteen thousand] units of vitamin A, 619.860 621.285 and I think that's .. [2toxic. 620.565 621.135 KEN: [2That's -- 621.135 621.250 fr- -- 621.250 622.150 that is toxic2]. 621.510 622.995 LENORE: .. (H) And so I2] called up uh, 622.995 623.955 the person who gave those to me, 623.955 624.385 and I said uh, 624.385 624.780 excuse me, 624.780 625.320 am I um, 625.320 625.745 KEN: .. are you g- -- 625.745 626.710 am I killing my[self]? 626.475 626.945 LENORE: [am I] killing , 626.945 627.315 and she goes, 627.315 627.525 . 628.385 629.330 so I='m still here. 629.330 630.445 (H) And then the=se, 630.770 631.740 ... these smell really -- 631.740 632.780 this smells like Guayaquil, 632.780 634.180 <@ This smells like rotten garbage, 634.180 634.420 it's -- 634.420 635.395 isn't that great @>. 635.395 636.535 JOANNE: [They smell like vita]mins, 635.395 636.105 LENORE: [(H)=] 636.535 637.510 JOANNE: That's what they smell like. 637.510 637.675 KEN: (SNIFF) 637.675 638.295 JOANNE: [2] -- 637.675 638.305 LENORE: [No][2=2], 638.295 638.465 KEN: [2Oh2] [3no, 638.080 639.490 LENORE: [3. 645.020 645.405 JOANNE: ... @ 645.405 647.005 KEN: @@[@] 645.815 647.030 LENORE: [And then] this is just basic, 647.025 647.415 uh, 647.415 648.950 .. very absorbable iron. 648.950 650.080 .. you probably need some of these too, 650.080 650.430 here. 651.030 651.755 JOANNE: ... (H) He's got iron, 651.755 653.040 with his mul[tiples]. 652.230 652.565 LENORE: [Well, 652.550 653.640 I=] have iron too, 653.640 655.100 but th- some of it isn't absorbable. 655.100 656.895 this is very absorb[able iron. 655.880 657.275 JOANNE: [What do you mean absorbable][2=2]. 656.945 658.000 LENORE: (H)] [2it's good2] for your anemia. 656.930 657.350 KEN: [2Thank you2]. 657.950 659.955 LENORE: take uh one of those a day on an empty stomach, 659.955 660.355 KEN: .. <% all right %>. 660.730 661.605 LENORE: .. Some [iron you] can't -- 661.050 661.360 JOANNE: [Sh-] -- 661.605 662.610 LENORE: .. uh people can't absorb, 662.610 663.955 [as XXXXX]. 662.610 663.500 JOANNE: [~Lenore==], 663.500 663.965 what is it, 663.960 664.145 do you- -- 664.145 664.585 do you like, 664.585 665.355 walk around, 665.355 666.155 .. dispensing, 666.155 666.525 0h, 666.525 667.835 dispensing pi[=lls]? 667.505 668.220 KEN: [Y=][2eah=2]. 667.670 668.255 LENORE: [2Well=2], 668.255 669.290 only to you and him. 669.290 669.955 KEN: @@ 669.955 670.595 JOANNE: 0- le- -- 670.595 672.065 does #George take any of this stuff? 672.065 673.270 LENORE: He won't take any of this [stuff]. 672.895 674.170 JOANNE: [But] he's as healthy as an ox, 674.170 674.835 that guy. 674.835 678.000 ... (H) that guy is . 676.350 677.300 LENORE: [], 677.585 678.660 . 679.100 679.440 JOANNE: ... Yeah, 679.440 680.040 but I'm saying, 680.040 680.415 is like, 680.415 680.880 %= you know, 680.880 682.695 as much as he's abu=sed his liver, 682.695 684.685 and %all other .. other things in his life, 684.685 686.295 he's still as healthy as an ox. 686.295 687.070 the guy is just, 687.070 687.725 (H) you know, 687.725 688.715 he wor=ks ha=rd, 688.715 690.705 ... he plays hard, 690.705 692.450 as they say @[@]@@@. 691.505 692.135 KEN: [@] 692.445 693.000 JOANNE: (H) and [yet he -- 692.575 693.325 KEN: [Nothing like a man] -- 693.075 693.425 JOANNE: (H)] 693.290 696.240 KEN: Nothing a ma=n wants after a .. tough day of working [2hard, 695.980 698.180 JOANNE: [2than <@ than twelve six-packs @>. 698.180 698.620 @@@@2] 696.090 697.390 KEN: and playing hard, 697.320 698.635 (H) @ (H) @ (H) @ (H) 698.625 700.045 <@ than a2] bunch of vitamin pills, 700.035 700.460 and [3six-3] -- 700.140 700.430 LENORE: [3@3] 700.460 701.635 KEN: twelve six packs @>. 701.105 701.305 LENORE: <@ yeah, 701.305 701.925 [right @>]. 701.445 701.945 JOANNE: [%] 701.525 701.920 KEN: [(H)]= 701.880 702.135 JOANNE: (H) 702.135 702.405 LENORE: [(H)] 702.255 702.420 JOANNE: [But], 702.420 702.700 you know, 702.700 703.175 and yet he- -- 703.175 703.380 yet -- 703.380 704.310 yet he's still healthy. 704.310 705.730 He reminds me [of my brother]. 704.845 705.800 LENORE: [He's still walking] around, 705.675 706.860 I don't know how healthy [2he is2]. 706.360 707.310 JOANNE: [2Reminds2] me of my brother. 707.310 708.490 My brother abused his body, 708.490 709.540 for f=ifteen year=s, 709.555 710.600 on a daily basis, 710.600 711.040 and he's, 711.040 711.445 he's like, 711.445 712.875 .. as strong as an [o=x]. 712.335 713.745 LENORE: [Yeah but don't let] the muscles fool you, 713.760 714.045 I mean, 714.045 714.635 [you have] -- 714.185 714.495 JOANNE: [yeah], 714.325 714.950 that's true. 714.950 716.375 KEN: .. You have all these internal organs, 716.375 717.415 that you can't see. 717.415 718.340 LENORE: .. Yeah=. 718.340 719.540 .. [Thank Go=d]. 718.760 719.630 KEN: [XXX XX][2X 719.570 721.335 JOANNE: [2(H) It's kind of s2]=ad when you think about, 719.800 720.475 KEN: (H) @@@2] 721.335 721.720 JOANNE: oh=. 721.720 723.705 (H) it's kind of sad when you think about like #Br=uno, 723.705 724.450 you met #Bruno, 724.410 725.575 this is my mother's o=ld, 725.575 726.975 ... ex boy friend, 726.975 728.015 he's just a slight, 728.015 729.900 (H) skinny little guy=, 729.900 731.345 who's .. always been sickly=, 731.345 731.940 you know what I mean? 731.940 732.265 (H) 732.140 732.710 KEN: [Mhm]. 732.280 733.540 JOANNE: [And he] used to say to my brother, 733.540 735.680 you know my brother was heavily into drug abuse, 735.680 736.230 and .. and, 736.230 736.705 he w- he- -- 736.705 738.170 (H) he used to say to my brother, 738.170 738.995 and he really meant it. 739.115 741.525 it sort- sort of like was empty words to teenagers. 741.525 741.840 You know. 741.840 742.995 (H) But he really meant it, 742.995 743.460 he said, 743.395 744.715 (H) you're real lucky, 744.630 747.315 he said you've been= blessed with a= great bo=dy, 747.345 749.650 and here you are ...

. 749.650 750.795 LENORE: .. <% You knew he uh %>, 750.830 751.160 (THROAT) 751.160 752.940 was into r- recreational= substances? 752.860 753.515 JOANNE: .. Oh, 753.515 753.815 yeah. 753.815 754.785 Well it was obvious. 754.785 755.345 KEN: .. with ~Harry? 755.345 755.980 [@@@] 755.440 756.425 JOANNE: [with ~Harry] [2it was2] [3obvious-3] -- 755.865 756.375 LENORE: [2Yeah2][3=3]? 756.045 756.380 KEN: [3(H)3] 756.370 757.470 JOANNE: ~Harry w=ent [4all the way. 756.900 757.980 LENORE: [4I never knew he had dr-4] -- 757.440 758.510 JOANNE: He didn't go4] [5part way5]. 758.000 758.485 KEN: [5Yeah=5]. 758.485 759.355 JOANNE: he went all the way. 759.355 762.580 (H) ... S- Yeah. 762.510 762.915 KEN: Yeah. 762.920 764.665 (H) ~Harry is a um, 764.665 766.485 ... yeah, 766.485 768.030 It th- it it wasn't hard to tell with ~Harry, 768.030 770.340 because usually he couldn't speak without slurring. 770.340 771.590 .. (H) [(SNIFF)] 771.060 771.495 LENORE: []? 771.220 772.345 JOANNE: [heav]ily slurring. 772.345 772.765 .. yeah=. 772.765 773.200 It was like, 773.200 774.410 774.030 774.960 KEN: [I mean ~Harry] -- 774.315 775.485 JOANNE: and] never knew where he wa=s, 775.485 775.925 and he'd get, 775.925 776.095 like- -- 776.095 777.715 (H) He'd have r- tons of money, 777.715 777.915 like, 777.915 779.195 (H) he % .. like .. would .. go -- 779.195 780.830 .. w- .. he w- make a lot of money. 780.830 781.980 .. He'd get paid once a week. 781.980 783.505 He'd have r=olls of hundreds, 783.505 784.720 or= something in his pocket, 784.720 785.935 and he'd wake up somewhere, 785.935 786.755 and it'd be all gone, 786.755 787.865 he didn't know where it went. 787.800 789.220 (H) that kind of shit. 789.220 791.005 (H) ... Jewelry=, 791.005 791.570 and rings, 791.570 792.780 and things would be missing=, 792.755 793.020 and, 792.960 794.680 (H) all kinds of things like [th-] -- 794.680 796.085 oh all kinds of stuff. 796.085 796.825 LENORE: He still lives -- 796.775 797.215 KEN: (YAWN) 797.200 798.200 JOANNE: .. [Oh he's fine] [2now2]. 797.215 798.190 KEN: [(YAWN)][2=2][3=3] 797.730 798.160 LENORE: [2(THROAT)2] 798.225 799.135 JOANNE: [3He's doing3] [4real4] [5we=ll5]. 798.525 798.945 LENORE: [44], 798.830 799.670 [5he still lives at5] home? 798.760 799.590 KEN: [5He's clean5]. 799.590 800.400 ... % 800.395 800.775 JOANNE: No, 800.775 801.025 .. No. 801.025 802.115 He's living with his girlfriend. 802.115 803.100 He's doing r=eal well. 803.100 804.160 I'm r=eal proud of him. 804.160 805.465 .. (H) I'm r=eal proud of him. 805.465 806.015 he's doing- -- 806.015 807.025 it's been a yea=r, 807.025 807.690 over a year, 807.690 808.980 that he's been totally clean. 808.980 810.075 (H) he doesn't even -- 810.075 812.625 (H) He doesn't even eat ca=ke with r=um in it. 812.625 813.705 LENORE: ... No. 813.705 814.125 of course not. 814.125 815.070 .. No alcohol. 815.070 815.660 JOANNE: N=one. 815.660 816.125 nothing. 816.125 817.765 I mean abso[lutely no- -- 816.900 818.195 KEN: [you know he's on the program]. 817.745 818.420 JOANNE: (H)] He's -- 818.420 819.705 I mean [2the guy=2], 818.750 819.775 KEN: [2One day at a ti=me2]. 819.680 820.275 JOANNE: (H) and, 820.275 821.170 he's like real proud, 821.170 821.780 he's involved, 821.775 822.140 he goes -- 822.140 823.415 every night he goes to meetings, 823.415 825.070 he's involved with the whole organization, 825.080 826.320 he holds his own meetings, 826.325 826.445 and, 826.445 827.375 (H) He set up his -- 827.375 829.190 started his own meeting in Hollywood. 829.190 830.325 .. on Thursday nigh=ts? 830.325 831.300 .. (H) he's holding it, 831.300 832.405 and [he's like treasurer, 831.090 832.400 KEN: [@@@ 832.400 833.285 JOANNE: (H)] 832.400 833.600 KEN: (TSK)It's the ~Harry ~Finley] meeting. 833.600 835.590 JOANNE: .. It's [r=eally] f=unny, 834.140 835.125 KEN: [(H)=] 835.590 836.905 JOANNE: I mean [2the guy is2] grea=t. 835.705 836.590 LENORE: [2I told you2]. 836.040 836.670 KEN: [2(H)=2] 836.905 837.925 LENORE: [3I told you3]. 836.905 837.310 JOANNE: [3Isn't that -- 837.310 838.180 he's not3] hopeless. 838.575 840.420 (H)[4= Well I had given4] him up [5for dead5]. 838.340 839.480 LENORE: I told X4] -- 839.830 841.080 KEN: [5%= I5] always tol=d her, 841.030 841.425 JOANNE: [6Oh=, 840.865 841.540 KEN: [6 XX, 841.570 842.025 and she's6] -- 841.545 842.545 JOANNE: I'd given him up6] [7for dead-7] -- 842.055 842.530 LENORE: [7See7]. 842.545 843.210 JOANNE: But you have to -- 843.210 844.935 you have to at one point let go. 844.965 846.335 You can't constantly be torn, 846.335 847.965 (H) just torn to pieces, 847.965 848.300 by, 848.300 848.595 you know, 848.595 849.570 somebody like that. 849.560 850.065 [XX] 849.560 850.745 LENORE: [(TSK) So your] mother's happy now. 851.070 852.290 JOANNE: .. (H) My mother's never happy. 852.290 854.155 [My mother wouldn't be happy if] everything was -- 852.415 852.910 LENORE: [excuse me (Hx)=]. 854.185 855.165 JOANNE: 0.000000e+00verything was great, 855.165 856.005 and everything is great. 855.970 856.595 It's so funny, 856.555 857.505 (H) she has always had her s- -- 857.505 857.740 her -- 857.740 859.420 (H) her ki=ds to worry about. 859.375 859.700 . 862.065 862.345 oh, 862.345 862.800 poor- Q> -- 862.800 864.120 (H) and she's totally happy now. 864.120 864.620 I mean there's no- -- 864.620 866.185 I mean she's got no excuse. 866.105 867.275 KEN: ... (YAWN) [(YAWN)] 866.945 868.520 JOANNE: [Abso][2lutely2] no excuse to be mi[3serable, 867.265 867.645 LENORE: [2@@2] 868.255 868.900 KEN: [3(YAWN)3] 868.445 869.330 JOANNE: but3] she's miserable. 869.330 870.750 .. Cause that's just the way she is. 870.750 872.120 (H) It's kind of like you ~Ken. 872.120 874.220 KEN: ... That's .. not at all like [me ~Joanne]. 873.685 874.210 LENORE: [@=] 874.225 875.585 JOANNE: No reason to be miserable. 875.650 876.995 KEN: ... (SWALLOW) 876.995 878.965 JOANNE: ... You have no reason to be [miserable]. 878.260 878.580 KEN: [I'm -- 878.580 880.190 .. first] of all I'm not miserable, 880.190 880.935 and second[2ly, 880.825 883.135 LENORE: [2(H) 2], 880.955 881.955 KEN: I have plent- -- 881.880 883.650 (H)2] [3I have plenty of reasons3], 882.105 883.270 JOANNE: [3(H) X>3] 881.885 883.070 LENORE: [3@@@@ @ @3] 883.675 884.160 KEN: [4to4] [5be5], 883.720 883.870 JOANNE: [4(H)4] 883.910 884.465 LENORE: [5(H)5] [6@@6] 884.165 885.865 JOANNE: [6you have6] [7no reason to be mis=-7] -- 884.485 886.355 KEN: [7m=ore than slightly dis7]turbed, 886.355 886.930 with l=ife. 887.000 887.540 LENORE: [@@] 887.000 887.535 JOANNE: [oh][2=, 887.495 888.550 KEN: [2@ .. @@2] (H) 887.495 888.240 JOANNE: honey2]. 888.240 890.715 ... (H) [3You're not miserable at all=3]. 889.195 890.190 KEN: [3. 890.190 890.670 (H) <@ honey @>. 890.710 892.470 There's3] <@ one of [4the reasons4] right there @>. 890.980 891.670 JOANNE: [4you shouldn't4] -- 892.470 892.740 KEN: (H) 892.740 893.435 JOANNE: <% Aw= %>. 893.435 895.335 ... (H) <> be miserable. 895.335 897.180 There's no reason for him [to be miserable-]. 896.200 897.905 LENORE: [so what does she complain] to you about now. 897.905 899.070 JOANNE: (H) everything. 899.070 899.925 ... You th- -- 899.925 900.805 you []. 900.195 900.675 LENORE: [? 901.580 902.485 ... sh- sh- -- 902.485 903.855 .. . 904.990 906.245 <@ I [2mean what2] [3is (H)3] @> -- 905.105 905.340 KEN: [2@2] 905.810 906.210 JOANNE: [2(H)2] 905.440 906.340 [3no no no] [4no4]. 906.105 906.400 KEN: [4Mm4]. 906.255 906.425 JOANNE: th- -- 906.425 906.840 [I think i-] -- 906.500 906.840 KEN: [@@] 906.850 907.245 JOANNE: I think -- 907.250 908.445 I think her complai=nt, 908.370 909.395 .. one of her complaint. 909.355 910.635 .. who know=s what her complaint -- 910.635 911.100 ], 916.355 918.245 LENORE: is on the] [2verge of th- OD'ing2] [3and3], 917.040 917.420 KEN: [2Mhm, 917.430 918.030 XXX2] 916.945 917.280 JOANNE: [2Yeah, 917.280 917.800 right right right2]. 917.810 918.045 [3Yeah3], 918.045 918.640 it's the same thing. 918.640 919.675 It's just a [gen]eral, 919.100 919.415 KEN: [@] 919.675 921.280 JOANNE: m=alaise [2about @life2]. 920.230 921.145 KEN: [2@ @2] 921.280 921.680 JOANNE: [3you3] [4know4], 921.350 922.535 LENORE: [3@ ]. 921.460 921.735 KEN: [4Hm4]. 921.640 921.860 JOANNE: [5that, 921.860 922.375 you know, 922.420 923.130 LENORE: @Right? 922.485 923.395 it never5] e=nds. 923.355 923.725 you know? 923.725 925.815 (H) .. It never ever e=nds. 926.265 926.915 KEN: (H) 926.995 927.430 JOANNE: (H) 927.430 928.345 KEN: ... (H) Look at that. 928.315 928.605 it's [X] -- 928.420 928.680 LENORE: [Is] -- 928.680 929.430 is it the season, 929.430 931.165 for your turtles to be romantically involved? 931.165 931.810 KEN: ... Uh=, 931.810 932.465 I guess so. 932.465 933.905 They've been doing it for a while [now]. 933.560 934.065 LENORE: [@] 933.920 934.985 JOANNE: [(H)] It's [2really2] ama[3zing. 934.590 934.845 KEN: [2X2] 934.765 936.210 [3I think though it's really neat to watch em3]. 935.010 935.850 JOANNE: He he ca- -- 935.850 936.590 he3] he, 936.590 936.890 like, 936.890 938.450 [t- uh tw- takes his] nails, 937.015 937.985 KEN: [There he goes again]. 938.450 940.285 JOANNE: and he (H) flutters em in front of it, 940.285 942.345 like trying to cast a spell over her. 942.345 943.495 KEN: ... Yeah. 943.355 944.630 JOANNE: [It's really ama-] -- 943.490 945.285 LENORE: [Have you .. read ..] why that's done? 945.285 946.200 ... [2XX2] -- 945.710 945.950 KEN: [2Yeah, 945.950 947.335 he's2] trying to cast a spell over her. 947.300 948.915 LENORE: <@ Oh and that's [3in the turtle book3] [4XX4]? 947.535 948.365 JOANNE: [3Is he really3]? 948.365 948.715 KEN: [4Well no4], 948.715 949.880 I mean it's not [5literally5] that, 949.395 949.940 JOANNE: [5(H)5] 949.940 950.600 KEN: % that's their[6=, 950.405 951.395 JOANNE: [6Like hypnotize her. 950.570 951.890 KEN: That's their um=, 951.335 952.345 JOANNE: That's the little mating6], 952.165 955.355 KEN: (H) it's6] their .. mating courtship ... ritual. 955.295 955.750 LENORE: [7Dance, 955.405 955.715 KEN: [7And when -- 955.715 956.560 and when7] she's, 955.710 956.210 LENORE: kinda7]. 956.390 958.110 KEN: (H) when she's interest[8ed8], 957.765 959.085 JOANNE: [8He8] saw them porking. 959.085 959.625 KEN: .. you know, 959.625 959.965 I saw em, 959.985 961.060 I [saw em actually] doing it. 960.310 960.555 JOANNE: [@@] 961.060 962.810 KEN: I'm one of [2the very few2] living human [3beings, 961.285 961.920 JOANNE: [2@@@2] 962.500 962.915 LENORE: [3@3] 962.580 962.915 JOANNE: [3@3] 962.740 964.450 KEN: who've3] seen turtles having sex. 964.295 965.055 JOANNE: @@@@ 964.325 964.640 KEN: (H) 964.945 965.620 LENORE: @@ 965.530 966.220 JOANNE: (H)[=] 965.725 966.175 KEN: [You know]. 966.220 966.700 LENORE: (H) 966.700 966.865 KEN: Look, 966.865 967.540 there he goes again, 967.540 968.340 [He's trying %] -- 967.665 968.170 JOANNE: [She doesn't] -- 968.170 968.735 KEN: ... See, 968.735 970.370 he's [wiggling the things in front of her] face, 968.755 970.130 JOANNE: [ha-la-la-la-la-la-la]. 970.370 971.860 KEN: trying to get her interested. 971.680 974.730 ... He's got these real real long finger[nails], 974.730 974.920 JOANNE: [(H)] Yeah, 974.900 976.180 the males only have the nails. 976.180 976.710 [The real long] -- 976.115 976.980 KEN: [the ma- %] -- 976.750 977.895 JOANNE: and fat tails. 977.895 978.615 KEN: .. The males [have those l- -- 978.255 978.440 JOANNE: [Look, 978.440 978.910 watch watch. 978.910 979.725 Watch him] flutter. 978.775 979.065 KEN: and] -- 979.695 980.805 JOANNE: .. I love the little fl- -- 980.805 981.810 have you seen it flutter. 981.810 984.250 ... (H) It's rea=lly ama=zing. 984.250 986.275 (H) .. And yet she's not running from him. 986.345 987.565 %I remember at the beginning, 987.550 989.165 when he started his courtship thing, 989.165 991.655 (H) she was f=rantically running around, 991.655 992.810 like trying to get away from him. 992.810 994.210 And he was [biting] her, 993.345 993.810 KEN: [Yeah]. 994.210 995.115 JOANNE: and stuff like [2that. 994.740 995.385 KEN: [2Now %=2], 995.100 995.535 JOANNE: (H)2] 995.385 996.425 KEN: .. I don't really know, 996.425 996.945 I mean I haven't -- 996.945 999.200 .. I haven't s- bothered to sit around and catalog, 999.200 1000.080 what they're doing, 1000.080 1000.565 you know but, 1000.565 1002.395 (H) this I think is fairly l=ight. 1002.395 1003.015 I think this is -- 1003.015 1004.100 he's just crying to like, 1004.100 1005.245 JOANNE: (TSK) Could [be foreplay]=. 1004.305 1005.115 KEN: [check her out]. 1005.275 1005.990 (H) This is -- 1005.980 1007.050 this is [he's checking her out, 1006.435 1007.615 JOANNE: [@@@@@@ 1007.125 1008.935 KEN: I don't even think it's gotten to the foreplay yet. 1007.620 1008.910 JOANNE: (H) <@ Yes it could be @>. 1008.935 1009.325 KEN: This is the, 1008.915 1009.655 JOANNE: (H)] 1009.325 1009.470 KEN: hey], 1009.470 1010.280 come'ere babe. 1010.280 1012.360 JOANNE: @@@[@@@@@] 1011.080 1011.500 KEN: [You know, 1011.500 1012.975 (H)] And she's kinda, 1012.970 1013.550 JOANNE: %= 1013.550 1014.900 KEN: [k- shining him] on, 1013.520 1014.430 JOANNE: [(H) (Hx)] 1014.900 1016.175 KEN: .. she's not r=eally, 1016.175 1018.165 but she's not (H) showing a lot of interest, 1018.165 1018.625 either. 1018.625 1021.075 ... (SWALLOW) I think when he [starts biting her], 1020.030 1021.550 JOANNE: [His tail is curved] like that. 1021.550 1023.070 Does it al[2ways 2] curved like [3that? 1021.925 1022.210 KEN: [2Yeah2]. 1022.600 1023.070 [3Yeah=, 1022.840 1023.510 JOANNE: .. You know, 1022.880 1023.470 KEN: I don't know. 1023.470 1023.975 (H)3] 1023.510 1024.660 JOANNE: and some3]times it's [4straight4]. 1024.260 1024.585 KEN: [4Yeah4]. 1024.585 1026.015 (H) I think when he starts biting her, 1026.015 1026.895 that's [when= he's -- 1026.670 1027.305 JOANNE: [(H) .. Do you know=], 1026.720 1027.990 KEN: .. he's a lot more] interested, 1027.990 1029.185 [2and so is @she2]. 1027.920 1029.160 JOANNE: [2that when we bought2] him, 1029.220 1030.490 when we bought him, 1028.840 1029.510 KEN: .. (SNIFF) 1030.490 1032.250 JOANNE: he was larger than her. 1032.250 1033.315 Now look at them. 1033.315 1034.685 LENORE: ... She's a glutton. 1034.685 1036.355 JOANNE: ... h[=e was] larger than her. 1035.035 1035.560 KEN: [%] 1036.355 1037.090 JOANNE: Remember [2that2]? 1036.770 1038.455 KEN: [2She's like2] twice as big as he is now. 1038.455 1039.705 JOANNE: ... I mean I -- 1039.705 1041.020 .. I just can't imagine. 1041.020 1041.635 It's incredible. 1041.635 1042.535 She's just growing. 1042.535 1045.055 (H) She's gonna be as big as that turtle in the pet shop. 1045.120 1046.615 KEN: (YAWN) [Yeah in thirty] years. 1045.620 1046.385 LENORE: [How big is that]. 1046.620 1047.455 KEN: [2Hu=ge2]. 1046.350 1047.455 JOANNE: [2(Hx)=2] 1047.455 1047.920 KEN: ((STOMACH_RUMBLE)) 1047.920 1048.190 JOANNE: I mean, 1048.190 1049.365 [it is .. just] -- 1048.305 1049.275 KEN: [They've had this thing] -- 1049.275 1051.430 .. % th- this [2turtle for like thirty2] years. 1050.135 1051.145 JOANNE: [2like twenty years2]. 1051.430 1053.205 KEN: Ever since the pet [3shore opened up3]. 1052.305 1053.165 JOANNE: [3(H) The problem3] is, 1053.165 1054.710 is it's in a tank this size. 1054.710 1055.745 [and that's] kinda sad. 1054.745 1055.525 KEN: [Yeah]. 1055.745 1056.125 JOANNE: It does- -- 1056.125 1056.640 it can't move. 1056.640 1057.370 It can't swim, 1057.370 1058.100 it can't do anything. 1058.100 1059.900 (H) What are you gonna do when it gets this big? 1059.900 1060.535 You're gonna have to like, 1060.535 1061.900 transfer it to a bathtub, 1061.900 1063.300 ... [You're gonna have to have] a, 1062.935 1063.220 KEN: [Mm=]. 1063.220 1063.810 JOANNE: like an old, 1063.785 1064.970 .. old bathtubs aren't hard, 1064.970 1065.890 .. [aren't hard to find. 1065.230 1065.610 KEN: [ah p-, 1065.875 1066.340 JOANNE: (H)] 1065.835 1068.075 KEN: .. I give her] a qu- swift kick into the LA river, 1068.105 1068.790 at that point. 1068.760 1068.975 LENORE: (TSK) Oh, 1068.975 1070.025 come [now]. 1069.620 1070.685 JOANNE: [~Ke]=n. 1070.475 1070.925 LENORE: ~Ken, 1070.955 1071.480 [you would not]. 1070.705 1071.390 KEN: [ -- 1071.805 1074.510 [2she already2] eats me out of [3house and ho3][4=me4]. 1073.245 1074.610 JOANNE: [3<@ Yes she doe3][4=s @>4]. 1074.090 1074.495 LENORE: [4Oh4], 1074.495 1074.820 [5X -- 1074.820 1075.300 JOANNE: [5(H) But you know, 1074.530 1075.870 LENORE: a few wor=ms @5], 1075.305 1076.275 JOANNE: when she gets5] that big-, 1076.275 1077.045 .. Oh a few worms, 1077.045 1077.745 when she gets that big, 1077.745 1079.270 she'll need a v=at of worms. 1079.270 1080.195 And they're ex[pensive]. 1079.535 1079.710 LENORE: [Well %, 1079.710 1080.655 you'll pro]vide them. 1080.605 1082.015 [2You'll have all your in2]vestments, 1080.855 1081.335 JOANNE: [2(TSK) (H) You know what2] -- 1082.005 1082.315 LENORE: and, 1082.250 1083.785 [ supporting] [2you2], 1082.330 1082.805 JOANNE: [You know (Hx)], 1082.405 1082.660 KEN: [No, 1082.660 1082.935 yeah. 1082.900 1083.220 I'm gonna b-] -- 1083.095 1083.525 [2What am I gonna -- 1083.525 1084.985 what is it2] that I'm gonna be invested. 1084.985 1086.280 JOANNE: (H) You know [3what though ~Ken3], 1085.620 1086.190 KEN: [3@@@3] 1086.280 1087.310 JOANNE: you said as they get older, 1087.325 1087.585 they z- -- 1087.585 1088.910 they eat more vegetable matter. 1088.910 1089.290 KEN: Yeah. 1089.290 1089.940 So [I'll have to b- feed her, 1089.670 1090.595 JOANNE: [(H) .. and grapes]. 1089.940 1091.570 KEN: I'll have to feed her] h=eads of [2lettuce. 1091.340 1093.065 LENORE: [2Will the pro2][3tein ..3] needs go [4down? 1091.570 1092.425 KEN: at a2] [3time3]. 1091.785 1092.205 JOANNE: [3@@@3] 1092.645 1093.160 [4(H)4] 1093.015 1093.375 LENORE: or4], 1093.045 1093.775 KEN: I gue=ss. 1093.775 1094.320 JOANNE: (H) No, 1094.335 1094.970 [you know what he's, 1094.380 1095.570 KEN: [That's what I've read]. 1094.750 1095.940 JOANNE: he's such a] softie, 1095.920 1096.055 he -- 1096.055 1097.065 You know what they do eat. 1097.065 1097.925 .. That he refuses, 1097.925 1099.150 which would be easy to feed, 1099.150 1099.985 [(H) cheap], 1099.490 1101.525 KEN: [(TSK) I'm not gonna] give them gold[2fish2]. 1100.925 1101.830 JOANNE: [2(H)2] L=ive, 1101.830 1102.580 [3they love to eat3], 1101.895 1102.555 LENORE: [3(Hx)=3] 1102.580 1102.890 JOANNE: they love -- 1102.890 1104.155 they on[ly eat live food]. 1103.135 1103.990 LENORE: []. 1103.185 1104.710 KEN: [] k_give [2them2] -- 1103.970 1104.170 JOANNE: [2(H) X2] 1104.280 1106.705 LENORE: [2It's against2] his his his philoso[3phy of life. 1106.045 1107.100 JOANNE: [3I'd love to see it3]. 1106.740 1107.240 LENORE: XXX3] 1107.130 1109.270 JOANNE: I'd love to see him chase and eat [4up a goldfish, 1107.130 1108.695 LENORE: [4(H) Yeah, 1108.660 1110.060 a Roman circus in your tank4]. 1109.290 1111.015 JOANNE: and they won't HI>5]. 1110.095 1110.455 KEN: [5I'm not, 1110.025 1110.555 LENORE: [5@XXX .. (H)5] 1110.455 1111.015 KEN: It just5], 1111.155 1113.570 [6I mean the idea of6] dropping a little g=oldfish into there, 1111.520 1111.980 LENORE: [6(THROAT) (THROAT)6] 1113.570 1113.870 KEN: and then like, 1113.870 1114.685 (H) you know, 1114.685 1115.805 [watching it like .. go- like], 1114.570 1116.090 JOANNE: [It's nea=t]. 1115.830 1116.120 KEN: you know, 1116.120 1117.875 like pick .. g=oop off the bottom, 1117.875 1119.390 and do its little goldfish business, 1119.390 1119.635 you know, 1119.635 1120.835 and then all [of a sudden] have a turtle come over, 1119.710 1120.255 JOANNE: [@] 1120.835 1122.300 KEN: and take a big hunk= out of it. 1122.300 1123.335 (H) You know, 1123.335 1124.760 [and then that gets a little sh=ock X, 1123.225 1123.840 JOANNE: [They won't eat it. 1123.840 1124.545 the thing is it, 1124.750 1125.215 KEN: you know]. 1124.545 1126.710 JOANNE: the thing it uh] will actually be ha=lf swimming, 1126.710 1127.445 and half [2not. 1127.240 1127.510 KEN: [20h, 1127.440 1128.520 JOANNE: And they take bites out of it. 1127.510 1128.120 KEN: well XX, 1128.120 1129.140 you know they take bi=tes. 1128.495 1128.785 JOANNE: They d- -- 1128.785 1129.595 it's not a who=le thing, 1129.595 1130.355 (H)2] 1129.205 1129.825 KEN: You know and2], 1129.825 1131.555 and sometimes they can get the whole thing down at once, 1131.555 1133.115 other times they just like eat [the tail, 1132.555 1133.500 JOANNE: [They don't quite make it]. 1133.100 1134.100 KEN: and a piece of the] fin, 1134.085 1134.210 and, 1134.210 1134.960 (H) and then the, 1134.960 1135.155 you know, 1135.155 1136.930 the goldfish manages to get away and, 1136.930 1139.440 .. (H) flutters around the tank trying to get [away from him, 1138.795 1139.855 JOANNE: [0h=]. 1139.490 1140.905 KEN: ha- half] go=ne. 1140.695 1141.160 JOANNE: [Oh ~Ken, 1141.730 1143.625 KEN: [(H) .. I don't have the heart for that kind of thing]. 1141.160 1141.970 JOANNE: <@ when you say it that way, 1141.970 1143.135 I don't think I could stand it eith- @> -- 1143.135 1144.480 (H) Well you] know what I was doing, 1144.480 1145.580 is for about two months, 1145.580 1147.610 when I had that snake in my classroom, 1147.580 1148.735 .. I would once a week, 1148.735 1149.720 it would be a whole ritual. 1149.720 1150.155 Tuesday. 1150.155 1151.000 The kids knew. 1151.000 1151.955 .. (H) Tuesday, 1151.955 1153.255 we would all sit around the rug, 1153.255 1154.230 we'd put the snake, 1154.230 1155.660 .. we- we named it Sissy, 1155.660 1155.955 and we'd put, 1155.955 1156.930 we'd s- put Sissy, 1156.930 1158.615 (H) like right in front of all the kids, 1158.615 1160.890 (H) and I would get- buy a feeder locally, 1160.890 1161.820 and I would bring it in, 1161.820 1163.550 .. (H) and I would put it in the little thing, 1163.550 1165.050 and we would watch the snake, 1165.050 1165.645 .. hunt, 1165.645 1167.165 ... you know, 1167.160 1169.530 we would watch Sissy hunt .. the goldfish. 1169.530 1170.320 .. (H) And the go- -- 1170.325 1171.270 and the snake, 1171.270 1173.000 ... and 0t [was] [2so h=-2] -- 1172.710 1173.190 KEN: [(Hx)] 1172.680 1174.410 LENORE: [2Your snake2] was eating goldfish? 1174.410 1175.090 JOANNE: .. [33]. 1174.640 1175.265 KEN: [3Mhm3]. 1175.000 1176.895 JOANNE: .. It would l- eat only li=ve things. 1176.895 1177.945 .. Th- that's the only way they feed. 1177.945 1179.625 You have to buy [em feeder fish. 1178.435 1179.100 KEN: [Yeah they won't eat %, 1179.100 1179.475 some k- -- 1179.475 1179.805 JOANNE: (H)] 1179.465 1180.985 KEN: some k]inds of sn[2akes won't eat-- 1180.100 1181.340 JOANNE: [2They'll eat crickets, 1180.985 1182.355 KEN: .. % .. eat2] [3dead things3]. 1181.335 1182.360 JOANNE: and2] [3things like that3]. 1181.245 1181.755 LENORE: [3, 1181.855 1183.930 so you3] put little gold[4fish down in the box4], 1183.010 1183.700 JOANNE: [4(H) I would put it4], 1183.925 1184.545 LENORE: and then it would -- 1184.145 1184.845 KEN: []. 1185.805 1186.010 JOANNE: and], 1186.010 1187.325 .. cause it'll only eat it live. 1187.325 1188.200 And so the snake, 1188.200 1189.640 The bowl was about yea big, 1189.640 1190.285 ... you know, 1190.285 1191.645 and then the snake would start to -- 1191.645 1192.505 it would see it. 1192.505 1195.185 .. (H) And it would start to do this who=le little dance. 1195.185 1196.575 It would start circling the bowl, 1196.575 1197.495 . 1199.070 1200.210 (H) Then it would start s- -- 1200.210 1201.775 it would start ... moving, 1201.715 1203.925 .. (H) at the same pace that the snake would b- -- 1203.925 1205.210 that the fish would be swimming. 1205.205 1206.080 And it would start, 1206.080 1206.850 .. kinda following it. 1206.850 1208.205 And going fast and fast, 1208.205 1209.730 (H) It would be like this little whirlwind. 1209.720 1210.070 You know? 1210.070 1211.640 (H) And all of a sudden it would go .. chk. 1211.620 1213.185 .. (H) And you know what's so funny. 1213.185 1214.145 ... The snake, 1214.145 1214.960 ... was v- -- 1214.960 1215.570 th- they're v- -- 1215.570 1216.395 they're very b- -- 1216.430 1216.640 th- -- 1216.640 1218.185 I guess they're very bright about goldfish. 1218.055 1218.435 (H) [Cause it], 1217.995 1219.070 KEN: [@@] 1218.435 1219.710 JOANNE: it would ra=rely get it, 1219.710 1221.180 .. it would rarely get the fish, 1221.180 1221.530 it- w- -- 1221.530 1222.140 by the fin. 1222.140 1224.080 It would almost always get it by the head, 1224.105 1225.290 because it was streamlined. 1225.290 1225.625 Cause it would, 1225.625 1226.885 it it would get it by the tail, 1226.885 1228.005 (H) then the fins would all get -- 1228.005 1229.010 it would be hard to swallow. 1229.010 1229.485 Do you know what I [mean, 1229.330 1229.940 LENORE: [Mhm]. 1229.480 1230.460 JOANNE: It would get all] fluffed [2out2]. 1230.275 1230.785 LENORE: [2Right2]. 1230.460 1231.470 JOANNE: (H) And um, 1231.470 1233.005 ... the kids loved it. 1233.545 1234.185 KEN: ... , 1233.820 1235.285 JOANNE: It was their f=avorite time of the week. 1235.285 1235.535 They lo- -- 1235.465 1235.765 and -- 1235.765 1236.310 excep[t, 1236.320 1238.020 KEN: [B=lood-thirsty little bastards]. 1236.670 1237.940 JOANNE: (H) I had one little girl. 1237.940 1240.040 I had] one little girl named #Ana #Me[2hia2]. 1239.715 1240.075 KEN: [2(HICCUP)2] 1239.925 1243.425 JOANNE: (H) And she was this sensitive sweet little girl from uh Guatemala. 1243.425 1243.700 Who was -- 1243.730 1245.120 Actually her language was great. 1245.120 1246.500 (H) And every time. 1246.500 1247.280 You know what she would do-? 1247.280 1248.300 The first time she did? 1248.300 1249.740 .. (H) She- she did -- 1249.740 1250.850 ... She crossed herself. 1250.850 1251.830 She did the cross. 1251.830 1253.030 (H) for the fish. 1253.030 1253.760 KEN: .. For the [Fish. 1253.495 1254.135 JOANNE: [(H) And I asked her, 1254.095 1254.925 why did you] do that, 1253.760 1254.585 KEN: ]. 1254.910 1255.390 JOANNE: and she goes, 1255.330 1256.845 so that the fish'll go to heaven. 1256.845 1257.400 KEN: that sweet VOX>]. 1257.680 1258.150 JOANNE: [(H) And then], 1258.150 1259.010 .. from that point- -- 1259.010 1260.045 and then she cried, 1260.045 1261.660 .. (H) And then from that point on, 1261.660 1263.435 (H) .. everybody would be sitting there, 1263.435 1265.215 (H) looking at the fish anxiously, 1265.215 1266.460 and I would have to .. tell em to sit down, 1266.460 1267.035 cause you know, 1267.040 1267.865 % [others can't see]. 1266.960 1268.195 KEN: [(TSK) @Calm @down]. 1266.960 1268.195 JOANNE: calm @down. 1268.630 1268.920 KEN: [@] 1268.745 1269.390 JOANNE: [(H)] She, 1269.390 1270.630 (H) ... would turn around, 1270.630 1271.870 so she'd be facing the wall, 1271.870 1273.010 so she couldn't watch. 1272.985 1274.360 KEN: ... , 1274.360 1275.710 a very sensitive [little kid]. 1274.895 1276.025 JOANNE: [This seven-year]-old kid. 1276.025 1276.660 And she wouldn't wa-. 1276.660 1277.185 And she was -- 1277.215 1277.580 0t was like, 1277.580 1278.085 talk about, 1278.085 1278.675 (H) you know i-, 1278.675 1280.090 not influenced by peer pressure, 1280.090 1281.425 cause all the kids were excited, 1281.425 1282.770 and and she knew in a sense, 1282.770 1284.485 that she was s- kinda supposed to be excited, 1284.485 1285.280 cause all of the other kids, 1285.280 1286.265 (H) and she no, 1286.265 1287.345 (H) ... She was- -- 1287.345 1288.250 and it's really, 1288.250 1288.795 really, 1288.795 1289.840 really interesting. 1289.840 1290.285 You [know]? 1289.930 1291.850 LENORE: [I won]der what her personal [2history X2] [3XX3]. 1290.925 1291.475 JOANNE: [2(H) And, 1291.460 1292.015 and2] [3then we3], 1291.770 1292.185 KEN: [3Yeah3]. 1292.145 1292.385 [44]. 1292.825 1293.770 JOANNE: .. What was so funny is, 1293.770 1294.000 you know, 1294.000 1295.990 we had like language= les[sons] from it. 1295.400 1295.770 KEN: [%] 1296.010 1296.900 JOANNE: We wrote about it. 1296.900 1297.200 You know, 1297.200 1298.950 and they would do one or two sentences. 1298.950 1299.660 (H) about it, 1299.660 1301.515 and a lot of the kids mentioned #Ana. 1301.515 1301.950 And -- 1301.950 1302.260 (H) Y- -- 1302.260 1302.920 the snake- -- 1302.920 1305.370 Sissy s- % , 1305.370 1307.080 (H) and #Ana cried. 1307.080 1308.025 LENORE: ... @[=][2=2] 1308.025 1308.655 JOANNE: [That [2was like2] their -- 1308.225 1308.470 KEN: [2@2] 1308.660 1310.090 JOANNE: a lot of them [3did those3] sen[4tences4], 1309.190 1309.470 LENORE: [3Great3]. 1309.680 1310.250 [4(H)4] 1310.090 1311.010 JOANNE: and it was really fu- -- 1311.010 1311.340 and then, 1311.340 1313.385 a lot of them would draw a picture of #Ana, 1313.385 1313.805 %you know, 1313.805 1314.040 they'd -- 1314.040 1314.980 .. they'd do their sentences, 1314.980 1316.160 and then they'd draw a picture of #Ana. 1316.160 1317.535 (H) .. um crying. 1317.535 1319.630 LENORE: ... And what did she write. 1319.630 1321.335 JOANNE: .. (H) U[=m], 1320.885 1322.500 LENORE: [<@ Sissy ate the fish and I cried @>]? 1321.335 1322.090 JOANNE: %= %I- -- 1322.080 1323.495 %= [2@@ =-2] -- 1322.500 1323.360 LENORE: [2@@ (H)2] 1322.320 1323.580 KEN: [2@@@ .. (Hx)2] 1323.510 1323.715 JOANNE: Ki- -- 1323.715 1324.630 I don't remember what she wrote, 1324.630 1326.000 but it was something similar like that. 1326.000 1326.680 It was something like, 1326.680 1327.080 .. the f- -- 1327.080 1328.775 the %ate the goldfish and stuff, 1328.775 1329.500 (H) And I wouldn't -- 1329.500 1329.750 you know, 1329.750 1329.995 I'd -- 1329.995 1331.785 I would have it from= .. the morning. 1331.785 1333.180 Cause I would pick it up in the morning, 1333.180 1334.020 or I'd pick it up the n- -- 1334.020 1334.610 (H) that's what I'd do, 1334.600 1335.805 I'd pick it up the night before. 1335.805 1335.990 Like, 1335.990 1336.265 if it w- -- 1336.265 1336.820 if we're feeding it, 1336.820 1338.180 (H) I would pick it up Monday, 1338.180 1339.745 .. (H) I would take it home. 1339.745 1341.190 ... And that was the worst part. 1341.240 1342.155 I would take it home, 1342.155 1343.280 .. and I would like put it in, 1343.280 1344.995 I would leave it in its .. plastic bag, 1344.995 1346.580 (H) put it in a bunch of water. 1346.580 1347.225 in the sink. 1347.225 1348.510 and I wouldn't go near the sink. 1348.510 1350.035 cause I didn't wanna look at this thing. 1350.060 1351.995 .. I didn't wanna get friendly with this fish. 1351.995 1352.690 (H) .. You know, 1352.690 1354.020 (H) and then I would take it in, 1354.020 1355.375 I would t- put it in its bag, 1355.355 1357.515 and I would put it in a .. paper bag. 1357.535 1358.650 .. And so I wouldn't look at it. 1358.650 1361.540 .. And I would put it like over by the sink in the classroom, 1361.540 1362.070 all day-, 1362.055 1362.285 you know, 1362.285 1363.285 until it was feeding time. 1363.285 1364.155 And I wouldn't look at it, 1364.155 1365.360 and I wouldn't let the kids look at it. 1365.360 1367.355 (H) Only when it was put into the bowl. 1367.355 1368.375 Cause I just, 1368.380 1368.945 ... it was, 1368.945 1370.135 (H) I was the worst. 1369.795 1370.950 LENORE: [You didn't wanna get]-- 1370.150 1370.595 JOANNE: [I was going], 1370.595 1371.110 . 1371.475 1371.900 [You know like th-, 1371.730 1372.185 KEN: [(H) Listen to her, 1371.915 1372.415 JOANNE: it was really] -- 1372.185 1372.360 KEN: (H) f-] -- 1372.360 1372.605 you know, 1372.605 1373.235 five minutes ago, 1373.235 1376.115 she said she really would[love to see the turtles eat a gold]fish, 1373.925 1375.450 JOANNE: [@@@@ (H) %] 1376.115 1377.945 KEN: [2Now she's saying how it was2] [34]. 1376.470 1377.760 JOANNE: [2(H) No= no=2] [3no but3], 1377.695 1378.205 LENORE: [3XXX3][4X4]X 1378.055 1378.845 KEN: (H)[5=5] 1378.675 1379.355 LENORE: [5(H)5] 1378.240 1379.470 JOANNE: [5It was just5] [6the i6]dea of it, 1378.670 1379.405 KEN: [6(Hx)6] 1379.470 1380.210 JOANNE: it's interesting. 1380.210 1380.730 it's [neat. 1380.730 1381.080 KEN: [(H) Yeah. 1381.080 1382.360 it's interesting] [2but2], 1380.710 1380.995 JOANNE: You know, 1380.995 1381.500 . 1381.500 1382.995 but but] [2but to ac2][3tually3] see it, 1381.595 1382.400 LENORE: [2(Hx)2] 1382.400 1383.080 KEN: [3(Hx)3] 1382.980 1383.240 JOANNE: is, 1383.240 1384.205 is no=t .. [as uh, 1384.110 1384.840 KEN: [(H) I remember once], 1384.445 1384.785 JOANNE: (H)] 1384.890 1385.830 KEN: when I was a kid, 1385.830 1386.005 it, 1386.005 1387.845 [r_it's] really stuck in [2my mi=nd2]. 1386.935 1387.845 JOANNE: [(SNIFF)] 1386.935 1387.840 [2(H]=2] 1387.845 1388.245 KEN: 0h, 1388.245 1388.880 [I went, 1388.690 1389.845 JOANNE: [(SNIFF)=]= 1388.880 1389.455 KEN: I used to=], 1389.455 1390.390 l- u=m, 1390.390 1391.455 .. go to an elementary school, 1391.455 1392.890 that had like a p- a pet shop. 1392.890 1394.805 (H) .. right around the corner from it. 1394.805 1396.665 And I used to go into the pet stores and look at all the b-, 1396.665 1397.315 the ani[mals, 1397.315 1398.930 JOANNE: [(TSK) Didn't you guys go to the same elemen]tary school? 1397.285 1398.545 KEN: and the fish and stuff all the time]? 1398.900 1399.620 Los Feliz. 1399.620 1401.360 ... (TSK) Anyway, 1401.360 1401.775 um, 1401.775 1403.490 ... [(SWALLOW) (TSK) %] 1402.905 1403.505 LENORE: [Where was y-] el- -- 1403.505 1404.405 where was the pet, 1404.465 1404.885 [(SNIFF)] 1404.505 1405.305 KEN: [Right around] the corner, 1405.305 1405.515 .. where -- 1405.485 1406.485 th_you know where the bank is? 1406.485 1407.440 the Security Bank? 1407.440 1408.690 .. [(H) And there's] all those little shops, 1407.490 1408.330 JOANNE: [Unhunh]. 1408.690 1409.830 KEN: there's like Tamara='s, 1409.810 1410.840 that sandwich shop, 1411.230 1411.555 JOANNE: (TSK) 1411.030 1411.550 KEN: and stuff? 1411.550 1412.000 (H)= 1412.000 1412.510 LENORE: On [Hollywood]? 1412.110 1412.730 KEN: [U=m], 1412.525 1413.105 JOANNE: .. (H) 1413.145 1413.545 KEN: Hunh? 1413.555 1414.630 JOANNE: [No on] [2Verm=ont2]. 1413.580 1414.120 LENORE: [On Hol-] -- 1414.110 1414.880 KEN: [2It was on Ver2]mont. 1414.880 1415.740 .. On Vermont, 1415.740 1416.840 .. like w- maybe=, 1416.840 1418.655 (H) six shops up from=, 1418.655 1419.865 from uh .. u=m, 1419.865 1420.215 Hollywood, 1420.215 1421.045 or Prospect. 1421.045 1421.935 ... rather. 1421.935 1423.160 (H) U=m, 1423.160 1426.145 there was .. a little pet shop called Pandora's Pets. 1426.145 1426.670 JOANNE: (H) 1426.670 1427.705 KEN: When I was in elementary school. 1427.705 1429.655 JOANNE: [(SNIFF) WH>]. 1427.760 1428.080 KEN: [Anyway, 1428.080 1428.910 I remember they had a, 1428.910 1430.580 (H) they had this fish in there called] an Oscar. 1430.580 1431.885 (H)= And they are these like, 1431.775 1432.560 .. [they are these really, 1431.865 1432.305 JOANNE: [, 1432.305 1433.345 yeah th- they're big]. 1433.075 1434.445 KEN: .. They're these] big gnarly suckers. 1434.445 1435.435 They're like [2um, 1434.860 1435.135 JOANNE: [2Yeah, 1435.135 1436.350 I remember what they look2] like. 1435.365 1436.230 KEN: .. (TSK) (H) They're like m-2] -- 1436.235 1436.380 f- -- 1436.380 1436.695 I don't know, 1436.690 1437.860 [six or eight inch]es, 1436.905 1437.730 JOANNE: [big eyes], 1437.780 1438.325 [2(H)2] 1437.920 1438.900 KEN: [2(H)2] and they've got, 1438.900 1440.850 ... they only eat like other fish. 1440.845 1441.725 They eat like small [fish. 1441.530 1442.125 JOANNE: [(SNIFF)=] 1441.710 1442.080 KEN: And they eat like], 1442.080 1443.375 ... you know like goldfish. 1443.375 1444.690 And I guess goldfish or g=uppies, 1444.690 1445.970 get the brunt of everything. 1445.970 1447.315 .. (H) Poor guys. 1447.315 1448.350 (H) They're like the, 1448.350 1448.540 you know, 1448.540 1450.705 they're like the cattle of the @animal @world. 1450.705 1452.910 [They're br=ed only to f=eed other things, 1450.715 1451.190 JOANNE: [Yeah, 1451.330 1451.940 f=eeds. 1451.940 1452.105 Yeah, 1452.105 1452.690 they're feeders. 1452.820 1453.625 KEN: (H) anyway, 1453.625 1454.760 (H) anyway so, 1453.120 1454.015 JOANNE: They're nothing but tanks of feeders, 1454.015 1455.240 in every pet shop (Hx)]. 1454.760 1457.090 KEN: (H) I remember w-] watching them feed the Oscar once, 1457.090 1457.935 when I was a kid. 1457.935 1459.735 ... (TSK) And they dropped in the goldfish, 1459.735 1461.010 and I don't think I'd ever seen it before. 1461.010 1461.475 Maybe I did, 1461.485 1462.020 I don't remember. 1462.020 1464.240 (H) But this time particularly sticks in my mind. 1464.240 1466.115 (TSK) (H) He drops the goldfish into the tank, 1466.115 1467.725 and the goldfish goes and sw- swims around, 1467.725 1468.695 minding his own little business, 1468.695 1470.110 eating glop and all that shit, 1470.110 1470.565 you know, 1470.565 1471.065 that fish do, 1471.065 1472.790 (H) and the Oscar sneaks up behind it, 1472.790 1473.880 and opens its mouth. 1473.880 1476.085 And like creates a v=acuum .. kinda [thing cause, 1475.735 1475.835 JOANNE: [(TSK) 1475.835 1477.260 Oh= my Go=d]. 1476.085 1477.130 KEN: (H) you got this huge mouth], 1477.130 1478.900 that s=ucks the gold[2fish in. 1478.365 1479.070 JOANNE: [2Oh my God, 1479.070 1480.280 right from the water. 1479.640 1480.635 KEN: (H)= .. Yeah .. and, 1480.635 1481.260 .. and then2], 1480.040 1481.270 JOANNE: And it doesn't even XX2]XX -- 1481.260 1481.845 KEN: and then= uh, 1481.780 1483.525 (H) But the goldfish got s=tuck. 1483.525 1485.640 .. ]. 1485.330 1486.425 JOANNE: [It went the] wrong way. 1486.420 1486.790 KEN: No, 1486.730 1487.315 it [was going], 1486.775 1487.410 JOANNE: [Fin first]? 1487.310 1488.055 KEN: it was going, 1488.055 1488.995 JOANNE: .. Mouth first? 1488.995 1489.705 KEN: .. Well it was going, 1489.705 1490.635 it went tail first. 1490.390 1491.500 JOANNE: That's the [problem. 1490.960 1491.850 KEN: [I guess that's the wrong way, 1491.500 1492.490 JOANNE: (H) That's the problem]. 1491.885 1492.390 KEN: I don't know. 1492.455 1493.055 (H)] Anyway, 1493.055 1493.480 JOANNE: [2(H)2] 1493.055 1494.055 KEN: [2(H)2] .. (TSK) So, 1494.055 1495.350 (H) you got this Oscar there, 1495.350 1496.590 swimming around [in the tank, 1495.960 1497.500 JOANNE: [I learned a lot from that @snake. 1496.590 1497.450 KEN: (H) with like, 1497.450 1498.245 JOANNE: .. (H) (Hx)] 1497.495 1498.285 KEN: .. a goldfish], 1498.285 1498.535 JOANNE: (H) 1498.490 1499.705 KEN: sticking out of his mouth, 1499.705 1500.505 (H) you know, 1500.505 1501.690 .. the .. the head of a goldfish, 1501.690 1503.180 so you could see the little goldfish's eyes, 1503.180 1504.040 and his little m=outh going, 1504.040 1504.280 , 1505.540 1507.105 (H) and the Oscar's there swimming around, 1507.105 1508.225 and you could tell the little goldfish, 1508.225 1509.425 I mean they don't have what you would call, 1509.425 1512.155 (H) ... , 1511.935 1513.060 LENORE: [@@@@@@@ (H) .. @@] 1512.155 1513.495 KEN: [ @], 1514.270 1515.025 (H) it g- it's going, 1515.025 1516.120 , 1516.120 1518.050 and it's got these like wide-open @eyes, 1518.060 1518.445 you know, 1518.390 1518.845 LENORE: (H)[=] 1518.705 1521.105 KEN: [(H)] I was just [2imagining what was going through its2] little m=ind, 1518.885 1519.675 LENORE: [2@@ .. (H)2] 1521.105 1522.285 KEN: as the Oscar was swimming around, 1522.285 1524.285 frantically trying to (H) dislodge it, 1524.285 1525.340 so it could [swallow it]. 1524.415 1525.335 LENORE: [(Hx)] 1525.335 1525.970 KEN: You know? 1525.970 1527.440 (H) And u=m HI>, 1527.440 1529.590 ... finally it d- did manage to, 1529.620 1529.965 you know, 1529.965 1531.100 v- like .. [loosen] it, 1530.535 1531.090 LENORE: [Spit it out]? 1531.090 1533.070 KEN: % I don't know- remember if it [2spat it2] out or, 1531.985 1532.835 LENORE: [2cack it up2]. 1533.070 1533.960 KEN: (H) or= what. 1533.960 1534.845 But it managed to like %, 1534.845 1535.995 ... you know=, 1535.995 1537.115 LENORE: .. dis[lodge] [2it2]. 1536.285 1536.785 JOANNE: [M][2hm2]. 1536.500 1537.590 KEN: [2Dis2]lodge it one way, 1537.530 1538.400 and then swallow it.